(2842) Mon 2 Dec 91 12:27p By: Mark S Gilstrap To: All Re: Re: Somthing Heading This Way. St: Sent Reply chain 2838 2859 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @UFGATE newsin 1.27 From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark s gilstrap) Date: 2 Dec 91 15:16:22 GMT Organization: Indiana University Message-ID: <1991Dec2.151622.20112@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article <422800007@peg> mcollinson@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes: > >/* Written 6:49 am Nov 29, 1991 by E59401 in peg:sci.astro */ >/* ---------- "Unknown object ?" ---------- */ > > Nowadays (27/11/91) on newspaper I've read that an unknown object is >approaching to the Earth. And it was written that this object was obseved >by NASA. I just want to know that this news is true or not ? I've heard Evangelical christians (esp TeeVee variety) refer to an approaching object more than a few times. I think that they probably believe it is Christ zooming in from heaven, (and, if a reality at all, not AntiChrist who will come in wonders and aerial illusions). Of course this object is not a dark asteroid, but lightbearing or it wouldn't have "been seen" by astronomers (if it has been?). Perhaps its time to repost the fact (and the article which was the 4th post on this group) that the aerial realm is the place of activity of the fallen Lucifer (the light bearer) and those angels who fell with him (demons). Their tools are falsehood and illusion. The Fathers of the early Christian Church warned that it was not a good idea to look often or with imaginary wondering at the heavens, as it is possible to become victim to the lying wonders of the aerial beings. UFOs are real phenomena. But they are a phenomena of the creation of the illusory powers of the father of lies. Before the space age, UFOs were not spacecraft - this is a product of the paradigm of our age. The demonic beings (who occupy the UFOs) are however very similar to the demonic archetypes of the past. The effects on people are good evidence of the nature of these beings. For your own sakes, give up your fantasies and believe that these manifestations are nothing new, but simply a continuation of the demonic manifestations which were easily understood by our forebears who had a simple "unsophisticated" belief in evil. That these manifestations are increasing in frequency is a sign of our times and the foolishness of men who reject the wisdom of the past. The article "UFOs, a Shattering Assault" is available on request. See also a very lengthy discussion of the history and categorization of CEs in "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future". Based on what I have been able to gather, this object that is approaching should arrive on about Christmas 1992. The great "Peace on Earth" accompanying this advent will cause most of you to worship the being that arrives. I don't at all recommend drugs!, but I think my experience in the 60s with hallucinogens gives me a much better understanding of the reality of illusions, their power, their effects, and the shaping of new realities for the participant. Illusion is (in a limited sense) reality. It is the reality of delusion, and we all suffer its influence over us by the fallen nature of our very existance. Knowing this, it is easier to make sense of UFOs and also to not fall victim to the much more seductive illusions to come. --- ConfMail V4.00 * Origin: Paranet(sm) - The world's leading UFO Investigative News Network @SEEN-BY 104/422 428 605 107/816 30163/100 150 1012/3 @PATH: 30163/150 104/422 (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (3095) Wed 4 Dec 91 6:02p By: Mark S Gilstrap To: All Re: Re: Somthing Heading This Way. St: Sent Reply chain 3083 3096 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @UFGATE newsin 1.27 From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark s gilstrap) Date: 4 Dec 91 14:49:35 GMT Organization: Indiana University Message-ID: <1991Dec4.144935.8140@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes: > >OK, I goofed (a little.) I read 1992 as 1991, and I inferred Christ >instead of Antichrist. It doesn't blow my argument though. Give me proof >that the asteroid is anything but an asteroid, and that I should follow >anything but my own free will. > I suppose I wasn't exactly clear in my post - based on the misunderstandings (and some e-mail) I've seen posted. I can't answer your questions because I don't believe the TV evangeligals who are spouting this stuff. I am just a poor unfortunate who relishes watching the absurdities of Hal Lindsey's prophecies. It' snot only entertaining to me, but it is educational as well. I thought that maybe you folks would like the benefit of what I had gleaned from the tube. THEY (not me) say that there is something (a light) headed this way from far off (beyond the range of solar light re- flection). THEY seem to think that it is a harbinger of either the return of Christ, or of the Antichrist. I (me), I say that whomever it is (if I thought it were real), they, and by virtue of the psychological bent displayed here, many of you, would worship any advanced intelligence that appeared in wonders from the sky. I belong to a much older Christian Church than the ones you all have attacked (rightly so) because of its abuses. I do not take your attacks personally because I know that my Church has not fallen prey to the western rationalizations and errors which you oppose. In your western materialism however, you have failed to even consider the spiritual truths of the advice of the early fathers of the Church wrt the spiritual beings (not the material order of the solar system, etc...) that occupy the aerial realm. I see no difference between the apocalyptic visions of the Evangelicals and the chiliastic expressions made by many of the proponents of UFOs as real material phenomena. I put both groups in the same category - deluded. I have as support for my view the collective wisdom of 'true' christian experiences - manyof which exactly parallel the UFO-esque appearances, but are interpreted not as little men from space (or as leprechauns or nature sprites or in Germany as "smurfs" or ......) but as man- ifestations of demons. You may, and likely do, disagree. You may even say I am the one deluded, as one e-mail did, but I can read in the lives of saints from the earliest times about your "aliens" and see that for thousands of years there is self- consistency in the understandings of these beings. Your imaginings and material explanations do not have the same strength to me. Please allow me to have (and post) ideas con- trary to yours without being attacked. Given the limited number of pigeon-holes you all seem to be working with, I guess I'm not surprised which one you put me in. If you are going to sort people thusly, at least get more pigeon-holes - its a big world out there. --- ConfMail V4.00 * Origin: Paranet(sm) - The world's leading UFO Investigative News Network @SEEN-BY 104/422 428 605 107/816 30163/100 150 1012/3 @PATH: 30163/150 104/422 (1:30163/150)